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I would like subtle gentle skilled kinetics to be legal, but the trouble is they aren't as effective as unsubtle brute force flapping the boat round the course, and that would destroy sailing as an all ages sport. Trying to draw a distinction between subtle and unsubtle kinetics would be even more fraught with difficulty than the current situation, so I'm reluctantly of the opinion that what we have at the moment is the least worst option anyone has managed to come up with.
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Originally posted by JimC

I would like subtle gentle skilled kinetics to be legal, but the trouble is they aren't as effective as unsubtle brute force flapping the boat round the course, and that would destroy sailing as an all ages sport. Trying to draw a distinction between subtle and unsubtle kinetics would be even more fraught with difficulty than the current situation, so I'm reluctantly of the opinion that what we have at the moment is the least worst option anyone has managed to come up with.


I would say that unless you are in a Finn with 1:1 sheet And jc strap, free pumping, or windsurfing, then in other dinghy classes, brutal and unsubtle kinetics are slower.
What I was trying to say is that if free kinetics allowed in say laser, I don’t think you’d see say Robert scheidt sailing any differently.
Also, racing hiking dinghies in breeze even completely unkinetic is brutal anyway, thus on open sea champs courses a young mans game.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 19 at 10:21am
Doesn't seem to be the opinion of everyone who flaps their way back to the jetty after light airs finishes at my club Dan [grin]
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Originally posted by JimC

Doesn't seem to be the opinion of everyone who flaps their way back to the jetty after light airs finishes at my club Dan [grin]

Yep fair dos sub 5 or 6kts (ie not raceable in most champs si) is the exception!
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Half the sailing I do is sub six knots, and gentle rocking is really, really fast. "My boat is unstable when I'm sat right forwards" seems to be the excuse. Pretty sure it still isn't allowed.

Mind, I used to push the rules with the best of them in certain classes, if that was the norm. The Lightning tends towards rules being obayed quite tightly as a social norm, and that has made me realise how lax some other classes are. Did a Laser open last year. Was like a different sport.
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The difference is though that rocking is not permitted under any circumstance I.e. the potential to get planing or surfing does not excuse it. Pumping is allowed once per gust (if it could get you planing), so if you are more skilful at detecting very small wind increases you can potentially pump more than me (or more than the judge allows) if you argue you are falling off the plane frequently.
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But you can use heel ie rock if it is to facilitate steering right?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Peaky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Mar 19 at 11:58am
Technically I’m not sure that is an excuse. Rocking: repeated rolling of the boat, induced by:
(1) body movement,
(2) repeated adjustment of the sails or centreboard, or
(3) steering;

So if the boat rolls repeatedly (more than once??) that could construed as rocking even if the (claimed) intent was to alter course.
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Repeated alteration of course to hunt “waves” and “gusts”
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What is “repeated” etc etc.
You can encounter a lot of “waves” or “gusts” on a leg!
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